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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.11.06 09:38:00 -
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This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.
How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.
Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.
Talos
While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.
Developer: Creo Dron
Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.
Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level.
10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.
Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.
6 high slots
5 med slots
6 low slots
Drone Bandwidth 125m3
Drone Bay 375m3
And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.
But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.
Max level
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Drone Bay 625m3
That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.
And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.
I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big.
And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.
Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way. |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:22:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Rip Minner wrote:This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.
How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.
Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.
Talos
While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.
Developer: Creo Dron
Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.
Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level.
10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.
Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.
6 high slots
5 med slots
6 low slots
Drone Bandwidth 125m3
Drone Bay 375m3
And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.
But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.
Max level
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Drone Bay 625m3
That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.
And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.
I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.
And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.
Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way. Well to be honest I'd like to test this setup, the extra drone control unit would just make so fun to use. The single problem I can see with is the fact that this ship would still be stuck in pve role or very small gang role. Drones can be popped, a single smart bomb or Burst ECM and that's it you have 0dps. While I agree those drone boats are the preferred boat of almost every gallente starter pilot it's just because they don't have that much choice, If I could fit a full 8 cruise launchers on my Hyperion believe me I wouldn't bother with hybrids any more. Has you just said in another post, CCP will have to comem to the conclusion they just can't keep the shortest range weapon system in the game where everything else has range, dps, dmg selection or/and application. IF they do then they clearly don't give a f++ck about hybrids and balance and just need to keep one race on the bottom so even idiots can have easy killmails. This is exactly where Gallente sub caps stands.
Well this is true but even with Hybird set up you get nuted zero dps or cap booster limit number of thoughs with ammo in hanger.
same with limited number of drones in bay. But like I said I just think this thing would be way funner to play both in PVE and at least have a fighting shot at pvp too. You would only lose all drones to smart bombs all at once if you droped your drones all in one place. Drop one or two at a time as your moving for pvp for senterys. But hay if people start carrying smart bombs all the time for fighting Talos then I would say thats a job well done.
And at this point I do think they clearly dont give a two ***** and a giggle about Hybirds. But at least were geting Tech 2 ammo's worked on and much needed fitting fixs. And even a small boost to Rails. We have just taken Caldires place as the pve race right now.
Well I mean if you dont count ships like the Valgur for speed pve. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:54:00 -
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Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:06:00 -
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Machti Nutako wrote:Rip Minner wrote:Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust Im pretty sure its in rust we trust, but that works too 
Ya but the time spand has been years now and added to the New useless Hybird BC and the Hybird/Tech 2 ammo changes that looks like it's going to buff Auto Cannons even more then Blasters.
I felt it was time we reworked that saying alittle. |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:00:00 -
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Blind Furry wrote:I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't
Ya that is kind of funny but I honstly think that the Caldira ship is just as bad off as we are and there post is still stickied.
But that just mite mean that there going to fix the Caldira ship by leting it have some good old missile fun. But were still stuck with Hybirds on Gallente.
But for real the Gallente one would be better off if they just droped the hybird weapons off of it and let it have a massive drone bay and double bandwidth and launch 10 drones at one time.
Edit: But that would probly just reeks to much of Fail Hybird balanceing and after how many years now? |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.20 00:47:00 -
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BooooooBeeeeeer wrote:Quote:Here is the latest update on these ships:
NAGA
Missile role removed, now focuses as a hybrid platform
10% Torpedo velocity per level swapped for 5% to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level
As pointed out, even with the velocity bonus, torpedoes have a too short of a range to be useful in practical situation with the Naga since it has the lowest mobility of all tier 3 battlecruisers and quite poor defensive options. Aligning this ship into a missile platform would have required a long range option as well, meaning the use of cruise missiles, which created a certain number of issues.
Specializing for a hybrid long range platform made more sense with the Naga role, which is why the damage bonus was appealing, especially when combined with CCP Tallest changes; it also makes more sense regarding Caldari tier philosophy, where highest tech 1 tiers usually are hybrid platforms (Merlin, Moa, Rokh).
TALOS
25m3 dronebay and bandwidth added
Even if quite in opposition with the tier 3 battlecruiser role design, it adds an edge this ship needs over the other variants, especially since the Naga now it does the same damage with Hybrids. So, while we are looking at the blaster situation, we agreed giving the Talos a bit more survability against smaller threats was a good compromise for the time being.
TORNADO
Large Projectile Turret Falloff reduced from 10 to 5% per level
The reason for this reduction was mainly due to the range falloff reaches on autocannons when combined with the proper rigs, Barrage and Tracking Enchancers, dwarfing blasters in the close range department; we will see how the situation evolves and possibly make further changes to compensate.
Also, please note some small powergrid/CPU changes may happen to the tier 3 battlecruisers in the next build. Drone Bay in Talos, fine, but why give bonus damage Naga hybrids? I do not understand, then what will stand out Talos?
The only thing that will stand out is that you would have been better off if it was a full on heavy hiting drone carryer. But no you got handed two times the crap. Becouse CCP did not wish to fix BS missiles for Caldari and did not want to give Gallente another Good drone ship so.
And for some god knows why reason thinks a Nage is going to make a good Rail sniper against BS but how is this Fail rail sniper platform to tank the incoming dmg from the BS's there going to be sniping? So ya guys in the CCP balance department thats puff puff pass not puff puff and keep on puffing till Hybirds look like they mite work well some how in your head.
If you dont like the coolaid in the glass cup "Talos" You can now try the coolaid in the plastic cup "Naga".
So if you are one of thoughs special people that like it when CCP pushs 2x the fail Hybird ships out becouse you realy dig them kicking you in the nuts and telling you it's good and you belive them then your realy going to love this expation.
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